It will not do, in refutation of this argument, to point to other peoples, such as the Romans, who also reproduced inglorious traditions about their own past. See, for example, J. Alberto Soggin, A History of Ancient Israel (Philadelphia: Westminster, 1984), pp. 110–111. On the contrary, such tales may well reflect historical reality, and in any case did not become a central and formative factor in shaping the religion and culture of their respective bearers over thousands of years.